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Tushi · Dec 05, 2007, 07:08 PM // 19:08

Well problem is that im 14 and since im not from uk i try to speak as perfect english as i can. Well enough for peeps to understand me(i hope). And since i cant spell some hard words right, they call me immature. Well in this case they r immature.

Whirlwind · Dec 05, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Its pretty basic, younger = less mature by definition. Age is also a pretty good indicator of how respectful you are of other humans. For example, ragers in RA. When your team looses and someone is like OMFG YOU NEWBS YOU ALL SUCK DONKEY NUTZ, you can be pretty sure that person doesn't really care who they are talking to or what you're doing to their day, i.e. complete lack of respect for other people.

When you care how your actions effect others thats a sign of maturity respect and wisdom. Sure there are exceptions, like people who never grow out of that stage. But those people are still 14 anyway mentaly, so its a pretty accurate generalization.

Again this isn't all 14 year olds, but in that situation its very easy to determine, regardless of physical age.

Corwin_Andros · Dec 05, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Tushi

Well problem is that im 14 and since im not from uk i try to speak as perfect english as i can. Well enough for peeps to understand me(i hope). And since i cant spell some hard words right, they call me immature. Well in this case they r immature.

While it is unfortunate that people call you immature for the occasional misspelling. That in and of itself should not warrant that tag. What might get you labeled as immature is things like using r for the word are. One of the biggest problem we older folks have with the younger crowd is their tendency to literally butcher the language.

I know that I cringe every time I see my 17-year old in chat with his friends. It is akin to watching someone trying to decipher military grade encryption. In other words, what he and his friends use to communicate, is so far from proper English as to be all but unintelligible.

Needless to say it hasn't helped him in school at all. He has a terrible time with writing, as he tends to try and write his school papers the same way he does in IMs. The thing is, at least in his case, is that he lacks the maturity to see how his use or in this case misuse of the language could possibly be detrimental to his future wellbeing. Ergo.. he lack the maturity to care and it's coming back to bite him in the ass in a scholastic sense.

Prof Of Black · Dec 05, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15

1. their voice
2. they think they're the best
3. stupid jokes
much more ofcourse

~Prof.

I D E L E T E D I · Dec 05, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

This is actually false. Sure they may not have a job but they might of had a child. Part of being mature is to put aside your true feelings. If you can fake being mature, then essentially you are being mature. For maturity, you need to show empathy. Online, we are not talking about having a job. We are not talking about having a child. Maturity online only needs to be someone writing with fairly decent grammar, able to hold up a sensible conversation and not just act like a general idiot. It is often the older people who have had a bad life, jealous of younger people and say 'ur' not 'you're' who are often the immature ones.

Note that this paragraph is littered with illiteracy and a statement as if it was fact. The literal meaning isn't necessarily what we mean by calling people immature. If I call someone immature, the last thing I am saying is they haven't developed 32 DD's yet; however, by calling them immature that is in a sense what I am saying.

For the male, after the age of 26 the brain tends to deteriorate. Maturity is relative, and statements like 'I want to be with older people'. Is usually a insult made at a twenty year old, saying they behave like a young teenager. It is a poor insult made by someone that has no creativity or intelligence to gain some creativity in order to insult one properly.

This post is a classic example of 'butchering the English language'. People that think just because they type full words have good grammar are a complete joke.

If all forty year olds were playing this computer game (during the hours 9-5). Would I consider the game a game with a mature community? Not at all. I'd wonder why they didn't have jobs. Maturity isn't about calling someone over the internet, immature.

So we all do it sometimes. Don't get me wrong. One can be mature for their age too, it is all relative. People mature at different ages. The game is for twelve year old's and upwards in my country.

How do you define maturity?
IMO its the amount of experience you have had in life. Now obviously the older person will have more experience in life than a younger one. These immature kids who "butcher" the english language nearly all still live at home. Have their Mum and Dad taking care of them, and know near nothing to life. They just are kids and i dont mean to say that in a bad way because it isnt. Childhood is an important part of life, and if you havent gone through it you are missing a great experience in life and thus lake a bit of maturity, such as your opinion towards kids(maybe?). Maturity is shown by not necessarily how you talk, but by your opinions, your tolerance level, etc.
On an emotional level, immaturity most likely comes from never having been seriously emotional themselves. They never had a great relationship breakup. And argument with a person who they really value. These are all things that contribute towards your overall maturity.
I moved out from my parents when i was 15 and went to boarding school and now live in my own flat. I have seen more of life and been through more than other people with the same age have gone through. I missed out on a part of my childhood where i could grow up problem free. Instead i am under more stress than the average person with the same age as me. I have to worry about bills, cooking washing, etc, etc plus my uni work. My parents even live in a different country so cant always be there for me either. All these eperiences and lack of them contribute to your awareness of life(not sure if this is how you would say it) and your maturity.

It all comes down to what experiences you had in life. If a 25 year old guy only hangs about 14 year old kids he will adapt to them and thus his maturity will suffer.
Of course there are always rules to the exception. For instance your mum/dad died at an early age. You will miss out on bits of your childhood because you have to take care of your little sister and so on.
Btw i am 20 and i am not the most most mature person out there, i still do some real stupid things( probably due to the fact i had to grow up real fast after i left home).

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Originally Posted by Corwin_Andros

While it is unfortunate that people call you immature for the occasional misspelling. That in and of itself should not warrant that tag. What might get you labeled as immature is things like using r for the word are. One of the biggest problem we older folks have with the younger crowd is their tendency to literally butcher the language.

I know that I cringe every time I see my 17-year old in chat with his friends. It is akin to watching someone trying to decipher military grade encryption. In other words, what he and his friends use to communicate, is so far from proper English as to be all but unintelligible.

Needless to say it hasn't helped him in school at all. He has a terrible time with writing, as he tends to try and write his school papers the same way he does in IMs. The thing is, at least in his case, is that he lacks the maturity to see how his use or in this case misuse of the language could possibly be detrimental to his future wellbeing. Ergo.. he lack the maturity to care and it's coming back to bite him in the ass in a scholastic sense.

Your sound a lot like my dad, he hates it when i speak german because i do sound real immature when i do. I hate it myself and am really trying to improve it, which is hard because i dont get the chance very often.
But I am sure your sons appreciation for the English language will come one day. He will value it, just like i have started to value the german language.

[M]agna_[C]arta · Dec 06, 2007, 10:25 AM // 10:25

Ugh, I am 13, and Most of my Classmates act like what you say.
While the other kids shout allover the classroom when there is no teacher around(they still run around even if the teacher is there, It depends on the teacher) I'll be sitting on my seat, putting down my head(sleeping or resting) or drawing something.
I think I am diffrent from my classmates.
And whenever I meet a friend in the internet, they would say I have test, exam or something I would tell them why are they playing, and they would say I seem o be mature for my age, is really people on my age group like these.
Am I an endangered genre or category of children, while others ar frats or nerds, what am I?

Etta · Dec 06, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

Don't worry to much, MC. It'll get better when you get older then you'll start to notice girls, drinking, smoking, experimenting with drugs, get into rock 'n' roll.

Then one day you'll discover Bill Hicks and realize that the world is just a ride, man.

netniwk · Dec 06, 2007, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta

Ugh, I am 13, and Most of my Classmates act like what you say.
While the other kids shout allover the classroom when there is no teacher around(they still run around even if the teacher is there, It depends on the teacher) I'll be sitting on my seat, putting down my head(sleeping or resting) or drawing something.
I think I am diffrent from my classmates.
And whenever I meet a friend in the internet, they would say I have test, exam or something I would tell them why are they playing, and they would say I seem o be mature for my age, is really people on my age group like these.
Am I an endangered genre or category of children, while others ar frats or nerds, what am I?

Don't worry,i think you are just as immature as the rest.

DreamRunner · Dec 06, 2007, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by Lasareth

There's always exceptions, however from my limited experience people in the 13-18 range tend to think they're always right and their line of thinking is the only right one. They're very confident in their own opinions and while self esteem is good sometimes it causes problems.

Just an observation though. Take it with a grain of salt.

Didn't you just generalize most of the entire human population?

Most 14 year olds are just ignorant with their limited experience in dealing with things outside their school, friends and family. Thats all it is, really.

In my opinion, adults press kids with stereotypes and generalizations far to much and the media feeds it into society. Shit, just look at here at the new rules for NSW [P] drivers here in Australia, its both sickening and stupid.

Divinitys Creature · Dec 06, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

TBH adults need to get over the fact they have to pay bills and taxes and a mortgage and argue with their wife or partner and they know so much about life. STFU please. Most adults I see are big moody kids with more money to spend and more responsibilities but still childish as ever. This is a generalisation, I know some adults worth knowing too.

Onarik Amrak · Dec 06, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Didn't you just generalize most of the entire human population?

Most 14 year olds are just ignorant with their limited experience in dealing with things outside their school, friends and family. Thats all it is, really.

In my opinion, adults press kids with stereotypes and generalizations far to much and the media feeds it into society. Shit, just look at here at the new rules for NSW [P] drivers here in Australia, its both sickening and stupid.

Yeah the P-plate thing is getting out of hand. The hooligan retards are ruining it for everyone else.

(Yes, I sound hypocritical. It's human to be biased.)

DreamRunner · Dec 06, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak

Yeah the P-plate thing is getting out of hand. The hooligan retards are ruining it for everyone else.

(Yes, I sound hypocritical. It's human to be biased.)

Putting a curfew on how many you can have in your car after midnight is stupid. Why? Because it kills of the idea of designators drivers from a party, now we have 18 years old drunks walking home or trying in some form to getting home. I have seen more people at night walking than before, because of these new shitty laws.

I saw a 19 year old collapsed on the side of the road about 2km from his house. I had to call his mum to pick him up at 4am. This must be the better solution!

The most funny thing about the P-driver reports is that more are dying on the roads than 20 years ago. Problem is that people are on their P's for 3 years instead of 6 months and that there is an increase in population too. Coincidence? Some people think not! And I would say that these people need a swift punch to the face.

elektra_lucia · Dec 06, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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How do you define maturity?
IMO its the amount of experience you have had in life. Now obviously the older person will have more experience in life than a younger one. These immature kids who "butcher" the english language nearly all still live at home. Have their Mum and Dad taking care of them, and know near nothing to life. They just are kids and i dont mean to say that in a bad way because it isnt. Childhood is an important part of life, and if you havent gone through it you are missing a great experience in life and thus lake a bit of maturity, such as your opinion towards kids(maybe?). Maturity is shown by not necessarily how you talk, but by your opinions, your tolerance level, etc.
On an emotional level, immaturity most likely comes from never having been seriously emotional themselves. They never had a great relationship breakup. And argument with a person who they really value. These are all things that contribute towards your overall maturity.
I moved out from my parents when i was 15 and went to boarding school and now live in my own flat. I have seen more of life and been through more than other people with the same age have gone through. I missed out on a part of my childhood where i could grow up problem free. Instead i am under more stress than the average person with the same age as me. I have to worry about bills, cooking washing, etc, etc plus my uni work. My parents even live in a different country so cant always be there for me either. All these eperiences and lack of them contribute to your awareness of life(not sure if this is how you would say it) and your maturity.

It all comes down to what experiences you had in life. If a 25 year old guy only hangs about 14 year old kids he will adapt to them and thus his maturity will suffer.
Of course there are always rules to the exception. For instance your mum/dad died at an early age. You will miss out on bits of your childhood because you have to take care of your little sister and so on.
Btw i am 20 and i am not the most most mature person out there, i still do some real stupid things( probably due to the fact i had to grow up real fast after i left home).

I don't really know how I define maturity. My logic would be how well someone handles a situation, but usually those that handle a situation better are more intelligent. Which would mean that by my own logic, only the intelligent ones could be mature. Which of course is probably not the case. We are talking about the internet here. I think maturity are people that when they wish to flame you have a point to their argument and can hold up a discussion. Again, this links in with intelligence.

The butchering the English language. This is interesting, I know people in real life who are extremely mature but they type like idiots online, I also know people I've seen type on MSN and found them obnoxious, spoken to them on microphone and they're different. You can't possibly know if someone lives at home with their parents, or on their own from how they type. Personally I find the word 'kid' to be the biggest bastardisation of the English language that I have ever come across since we stopped using the grammatically correct words to 'put in' and used 'in put'. Not only do I think it is ridiculous we will be inputting our bread to the toaster, but we will forgetting about the word child and calling all our children baby goats. It wasn't the fourteen year old's who caused this either. This is not a dig at your post by the way, I notice you use the word kid a lot. It was a general thing.

I do not hold the view that you have to lose a leg , get beat up in school, have a rough time in life and lose your family to be 'mature'. I think if you have to go through all of that to behave mature you aren't mature at all. Maturity should be about your personality and not what forced upon you. When you are beat up, raped, lose a family, anything ridiculous like that - you are forced to become a different person. People often don't put up an emotional brick wall by choice, sometimes it happens and they simply can not help it. Hiding your emotions like this certainly isn't mature. I think that showing emotion takes more maturity. It shows you can feel comfortable.

So does that mean because I can go to work and not give a DAMN what anyone thinks about me mean I am mature? Debatable, it could just mean I'm confident. So I think that maturity can be a mixture of things, but I don't know quite what mix of things. Maybe the intelligent people have sharper tools to do the work (find it easier to be mature).

I can't quite define what being mature is, but I know what it isn't. I also know that people who claim to be mature and say 'get a life' aren't mature. This is a computer game we are talking about. So long as you are a nice person and good at that game, don't talk like a retard and interest me somehow you are perfectly mature enough to me. I don't care if you don't have a job, a girlfriend, a house, any pets.

As for the people who have had a rough life they may think they're mature by putting up their emotional fences and what not but the bottom line is. Half their behaviour is out of their control and they develop so many 'hang-ups' that they can't have an open view to things. Which again in my opinion is immature. Older people tend to form views on things, often based on ignorance by experience. It is some what of a paradox (I think you could say?). They experience something in their life (opposite to ignorance) but then they think all things of a similar nature will result in the same outcome (ignorance). Often people can't put aside this, and that makes them immature.

The men who go to the pub talking about what a great screw they had the night before. This is disrespect and immaturity.

The women whining non stop their husbands never help or that all men are arseholes because they happened to have dated ten arseholes in their life. This to me is immaturity they may not think they have attracted (or are attracted to) arseholes.

Maturity can be understanding, but that doesn't mean you should have had to have slashed your wrists to understand what a suicidal person is like. The brain is fairly logical, so you can work things out with reasoning but again, intelligence will tie in with maturity.

Maturity is probably also accepting the fact you could be wrong. So it's basically all things like:

Understanding a situation.
Being open about something (admitting you could be wrong).
Being open about yourself (showing emotion).
Being confident (learn not to care so much).
Dealing with problems.

With that in mind, no one is ever mature. You don't hit 26 and become mature. You may be more mature than others, but that doesn't mean you become this finished, glazed, priceless vase. Even if that were the case, it wouldn't matter. You'd soon go back to wetting the bed, losing brain cells and relying on your family again.

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Most 14 year olds are just ignorant with their limited experience in dealing with things outside their school, friends and family. Thats all it is, really.

Experience can make for more ignorance, because you form views which can turn to a stubborn behaviour preventing you from further knowledge. You could say a mature person can discuss politics. Again, it may just be something people find more interesting when they grow up and again, often their views are based from experiences. As far as I'm concerned, fourteen year old's can behave maturely enough to be my friend on the internet. I wouldn't be their friend in real life probably but in real life they might act less mature. You can think more about what you are going to say on the internet I think. We think of mature as good. Is it maturity when we begin to stop hating foods and start liking them (classic example is that more children dislike sprouts). With maturity being 'good', perhaps this is actually a faculty. Who's to say that the grass wasn't greener when people liked sweeter things?

The bottom line is though, generally when someone says things like: Oh it's ok, you're just a kid. They're trying to insult you for behaving childish, yet they're the ones behaving like children.

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The problem is not young kids, it is that they have no responsibilities and have no clue how the real world works.

Can be said to older people. Like the ones doing boring jobs that really don't contribute much to the world. They don't really understand how the real world works. It's all relative and if it takes someone twenty five years, a boring job and lots of labour to understand what some maturity is, they are not mature people.

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TBH adults need to get over the fact they have to pay bills and taxes and a mortgage and argue with their wife or partner and they know so much about life. STFU please. Most adults I see are big moody kids with more money to spend and more responsibilities but still childish as ever. This is a generalisation, I know some adults worth knowing too.

The adults smart enough to pay off their mortgage probably won't be the ones wasting time talking to you. They'll be mixing with their friends or family.

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Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta

Ugh, I am 13, and Most of my Classmates act like what you say.
While the other kids shout allover the classroom when there is no teacher around(they still run around even if the teacher is there, It depends on the teacher) I'll be sitting on my seat, putting down my head(sleeping or resting) or drawing something.
I think I am diffrent from my classmates.
And whenever I meet a friend in the internet, they would say I have test, exam or something I would tell them why are they playing, and they would say I seem o be mature for my age, is really people on my age group like these.
Am I an endangered genre or category of children, while others ar frats or nerds, what am I?

Truthfully? I don't really have a big enough picture to form an opinion based on what you've said but this is what I think so far:

Loner. Low self esteem hypocrite (no offence). Firstly, you want to put yourself in a category. Someone who does that probably spends too much time judging themselves. People that spend too much time judging themselves, want to fit in. The people that shout and scream when the teacher leaves the room, want to gain attention and fit in. That makes you a hypocrite because you called them immature. Also, you'll tell someone to study for an exam or what not, but when the teacher leaves the room you'll fall asleep, keep a low profile and / or draw. Neither of which is working, just because the teacher left the room. Don't waste time thinking they're immature or try labelling yourself. They're probably happier than you

. That's all what matters in life.

Please don't be offended by what I say. It's only an opinion based on what little you've said.

freaky naughty · Dec 06, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta

Ugh, I am 13, and Most of my Classmates act like what you say.
While the other kids shout allover the classroom when there is no teacher around(they still run around even if the teacher is there, It depends on the teacher) I'll be sitting on my seat, putting down my head(sleeping or resting) or drawing something.
I think I am diffrent from my classmates.
And whenever I meet a friend in the internet, they would say I have test, exam or something I would tell them why are they playing, and they would say I seem o be mature for my age, is really people on my age group like these.
Am I an endangered genre or category of children, while others ar frats or nerds, what am I?

I'm your age and the reason I NEVER study is because school comes easy as hell to me.

I D E L E T E D I · Dec 06, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Very nice post elektra_lucia. I agree with you in alot of ways. My post wasnt really directed at the online side of things tbh but more on life in general be it in game or in real life. Mature people wont change who they are regardless of wether its online or not. And yes Intellegence probably does play a role in your maturity.

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Understanding a situation.
Being open about something (admitting you could be wrong).
Being open about yourself (showing emotion).
Being confident (learn not to care so much).
Dealing with problems.

This sums it up very nicely in my opinion. But to understand a situation, would you not in general need some experience regarding that situation/probelm? Showing emotions is one thing and in its self doesnt make you mature. But showing them and dealing with in a resonable fashion (and by that i mean that you dont comit suicide, kill someone,etc).
Lastly i want to say that i probably didnt put my point down to well in my last post. I have trouble expressing my exact thoughts in to words because i lack alot of vocabulary when it comes to more intellectual discussions

dont feel no pain · Dec 07, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Tushi

Well problem is that im 14 and since im not from uk i try to speak as perfect english as i can. Well enough for peeps to understand me(i hope). And since i cant spell some hard words right, they call me immature. Well in this case they r immature.

My friend you are better at english than most british people:

An average brits "ummm" is "fu**ing"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jlu6wnYYOs0&feature=related

It does't represent all uk, but quite abit tbh

btw im from uk

ensoriki · Dec 07, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

A huge amount of fourteen year olds are idiots, I'm not one though, I'm a retard=P.
In Canada, the self proclaimed country of peace and prosperity, theres a ton of 12-15 year old idiots that extend past that age until around 22.
Considering when I lived in rexdale (now has become infested with drugs, there was a shooting yesterday) how there was still intelligence in quite a lot of kids.
I can conclude, when in a safe environment people tend to act stupid because they know nothing can harm them. In Rexdale kids were cautious of what they said, and many would hold doors for older members of society. Why? If your living in a drug area you tend to try and make a good environment to protect yourself in.
Now I live in brampton and go to school in Bolton. Bolton's pretty safe, but kids are far more outwards and you see many smoke more publicly. Considering how many 13 and 14 year olds are in such a rush to meet their idea of grown up, they do things that many more aged members of society find stupid.

When you see a bunch of 14 year olds shouting "Halo is cool, everything sucks" you realize how narrow minded they are. When a 14 year old picks up a smoke because its cool you realize they lack their own identity. When a 14 year old shouts NOOB all the time, you realize how impatient they are.

Why not hate 14 year olds when so many of them act so stupid.

Now, I don't act stupid
I act retarded, its much worse

doinchi · Dec 07, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

There are thousands of <14 year old players. Most of these people are nice, and because of that few people ever bother to ask how old they are. Problem is when the occasional <14 year old happens to be a complete jerk, they ask him his age and thus, a stereotype is born.

I have nothing against 14 year olds. After all, I was one 3 years ago. Almost 3...

Cale Roughstar · Dec 07, 2007, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the penises on the compass thing. -_-

Ugh, I want to shoot myself whenever I see someone doing that, because invariably it is a young teenager, who does not realize that a) there are other people on the end of the cable, and b) that they are ruining it for the rest of us. I am 16, and I play (and live!) with maturity and do my best to ensure that everyone around me feels comfortable. There IS a reason teenagers have a bad rap. It is because some of us/them simply do not understand yet what it will take to fully function in this world.

Of the top 5 people who I would L*O*V*E* to hit with a chair, ALL of them are 15-16 years old. They are the kind of teen who has not yet learned that the world does NOT in fact revolve around them, and it will probably take a stint in jail to correct them. THESE are the people who call each-other racial slurs in local chat, draw the penises/boobs on the mini-map and who generally ruin the game for other people.

Now that is not to say that ALL of the jackasses you see in-game do not yet drive, (in Canada at least) but it is them that give teens the bad rap that people are so quick to remind everyone of.

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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

I'm not picky like that. I hate everyone under 21.

As for the people who say that they hate everyone under 18/21, you need to remember that in fact YOU were that age once, and your kids (should you have any) will be that age for... the first 21 years of their life! To hate your child would be most unfortunate... To be judgmental in this way, is no better than sexism or racism. To say that someone is better, without ANY knowledge of the other party is an act of discrimination. Get to know me, and then you may pass judgment on me accordingly. But DO NOT, say that you hate me because of my generation. For that, I cannot forgive you, and will draw a penis on your mini map

Just my two cents

Cale

dont feel no pain · Dec 07, 2007, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Im 17, does that mean you hate me?

XD